Comments on: Apocalyptic Eschatology and the Ethics of Love: Some Johannine Observations http://www.inhabitatiodei.com/2008/09/23/apocalyptic-eschatology-and-the-ethics-of-love-some-johannine-observations/ Where youthful Barthianism never dies Mon, 06 Feb 2012 21:24:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: F. Ellsworth Lockwood http://www.inhabitatiodei.com/2008/09/23/apocalyptic-eschatology-and-the-ethics-of-love-some-johannine-observations/comment-page-1/#comment-5415 F. Ellsworth Lockwood Sun, 22 Feb 2009 00:09:49 +0000 http://inhabitatiodei.wordpress.com/?p=1052#comment-5415 I keep looking for someone to address the contradiction between the gospel of peace love joy, and the apocalyptic worldview that permeates the New Testament. It would seem that so-called "unconditional" love was not part of the vision. In the gospels and Paul, "love" apparently means "love within the group." One can argue otherwise until God whistles for the vultures, as is predicted in Revelation. The obvious context of the gospels and all of the N.T. is that of impending judgement. The destruction of most of the world in order to save a relatively small remnant, simliar to the salvation of Noah, which in fact is mentioned in the N.T. specifically because of those similarities, when they were eating and drinking and getting married and the flood came and washed them all away. I keep looking for someone to address the contradiction between the gospel of peace love joy, and the apocalyptic worldview that permeates the New Testament.

It would seem that so-called “unconditional” love was not part of the vision. In the gospels and Paul, “love” apparently means “love within the group.” One can argue otherwise until God whistles for the vultures, as is predicted in Revelation. The obvious context of the gospels and all of the N.T. is that of impending judgement. The destruction of most of the world in order to save a relatively small remnant, simliar to the salvation of Noah, which in fact is mentioned in the N.T. specifically because of those similarities, when they were eating and drinking and getting married and the flood came and washed them all away.

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Ben

]]> By: Halden http://www.inhabitatiodei.com/2008/09/23/apocalyptic-eschatology-and-the-ethics-of-love-some-johannine-observations/comment-page-1/#comment-5413 Halden Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:41:57 +0000 http://inhabitatiodei.wordpress.com/?p=1052#comment-5413 Ben, I'd say that to put it totally starkly would be an oversimplification. Clearly John and Paul both have temporal and spatial elements to the language of their eschatology. However, there is certainly more about the divine descent in John, and a lot more emphasis on the vertical. Both portray God's apocalypse in different, but closely related ways. Ben, I’d say that to put it totally starkly would be an oversimplification. Clearly John and Paul both have temporal and spatial elements to the language of their eschatology. However, there is certainly more about the divine descent in John, and a lot more emphasis on the vertical. Both portray God’s apocalypse in different, but closely related ways.

]]> By: Ben Gibbs http://www.inhabitatiodei.com/2008/09/23/apocalyptic-eschatology-and-the-ethics-of-love-some-johannine-observations/comment-page-1/#comment-5412 Ben Gibbs Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:30:49 +0000 http://inhabitatiodei.wordpress.com/?p=1052#comment-5412 Good post, Would you say that Paul has a temporal view and John a spatial view? That is, for Paul the future reality is breaking into the present, and for John, the reality of heaven is breaking into earth? Or have I missed it? Ben Good post,

Would you say that Paul has a temporal view and John a spatial view? That is, for Paul the future reality is breaking into the present, and for John, the reality of heaven is breaking into earth? Or have I missed it?

Ben

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