Comments on: John Piper’s Latest Statement

By: d. w. horstkoetter

d. w. horstkoetter — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:59:21 +0000

Koooooooy!

By: Andrew

Andrew — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:18:52 +0000

I languish in the calm waters of your deep blue eyes.

By: Halden

Halden — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:57:53 +0000

Koorgay!!!

By: Andrew

Andrew — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:54:23 +0000

“or better yet a commitment to God (which unfortunately was not something I could I could count on with the group we have here)”

Whoah Ryan. Are you seriously implying that Halden’s theology blog and readership is inherently non-Christian? How banally absurd of you.

Thanks for sharing Halden. The best part is, I totally believed you for a second.

By: Cortney

Cortney — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:41:15 +0000

Hmmm well he could be on his knees. ;)

Nahhhh

By: roger flyer

roger flyer — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:04:11 +0000

er…I will make my love as well as make love to her.

By: roger flyer

roger flyer — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:03:45 +0000

This recent turn makes me want to make my love to my incredibly sexy and wonderful wife…
Bye.

By: kim fabricius

kim fabricius — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:14:09 +0000

Ryan, in Christian tradition “celibacy” is a calling (not just an “option”) to living in an unmarried (caelebs) state and, ipso facto, abstaining from sexual intercourse, which, however – and crucially – is understood not to be instrinsically sinful. It is therefore a theological solecism to speak (as, I’m afraid, many do) of homosexual celibacy if one considers gay/lesbian sex to be wrong in all circumstances. That is, only if one acknowledges the potential blessedness of homosexual partnerships should one speak of a homosexual vocation to celibacy.

By: Ryan

Ryan — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:18:30 +0000

A man occasionally feeling attracted to and having sex with his spouse is irrelevant though. I used that analogy because I was trying to get you to a point where you see that there is something your holding onto (in this case fidelity to your wife) or better yet a commitment to God (which unfortunately was not something I could I could count on with the group we have here) that prevents you from acting out on your desires. The point is that due to the fall we all struggle with lust at the same level each day/moment, whether your gay or straight. Just because you have sex with your wife on occasion doesn’t mean your less inclined to have an affair. Sex is like food, just because you have eaten it doesn’t mean that you are not hungry two hours later. Therefore you are tempted at every moment and could possibly stumble, unless you have made a commitment.

There are men that just are not attracted to their wives, maybe because of age or health problems or admirably they married someone that they just appreciate for personality reasons. This requires commitment and is honorable. This lifestyle and character attribute are open to homosexuals and they are not alone in that experience.

Also there is a life of celibacy that is an option for homosexuals and they are not alone either. There are many that are living this same lifestyle, it is honorable too.

I maintain my argument that refraining from desires (emotional or sexual) is not unreasonable it is honorable.

By: Halden

Halden — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 05:03:56 +0000

That’s right, Ben. If people are going to use analogies about this they should at least be straight about it. Wait…

By: Ben Myers

Ben Myers — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 04:53:45 +0000

Ryan, that’s a brilliant analogy, but I think you might have overlooked one tiny detail: from time to time a married person might also feel attracted to (and wish to have sex with) their spouse.

If you’re married but never engage in this sort of thing, “then congratulations, you just showed restraint from acting on your lustful desires: if you can do it, so can a homosexual. It’s not unreasonable.”

By: Ryan

Ryan — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 03:46:06 +0000

I have some questions.
Who here is attracted to women?
Are you married?
Are you married and still attracted to women?
Do you act on your attraction to women that are not your wife?
If not, congratulations you just showed restraint from acting on your lustful desires. If you can do it so can a homosexual and therefore stay out of sin. Its not unreasonable.

By: Halden

Halden — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:43:47 +0000

I deserve any and all blame for reproducing it in this context.

However, I would posit that there is nothing as wholesome as a good pair of breasts. I stand by that.

By: Ben Myers

Ben Myers — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:05:39 +0000

Fair enough, I do apologise for the offence. And for what it’s worth, it originated just as a joke on Facebook, between friends. So I hadn’t intended any offence to anybody (except maybe Piper, who really should be lampooned for making statements like that!).

By: MadPriest

MadPriest — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:26:44 +0000

This would backfire on Mr Piper. Within hours hundreds of thousands of spotty, geeky looking young males would be outing themselves as homosexual and asking where they sign up for his ex-gay courses. Of course, that would throw his stats way out. Saying that homosexuality is unnatural because only 70% of adolescent boys and young men admit to being gay doesn’t come across as very convincing.