That said, is 9/11 really the proper context to “educate” people on how we are the motivation for someone else’s actions? I think that smells a bit self-righteous to some, & honestly makes some suspicious (fair or not) that their actions are being justified. Why is the actual day the right context to educate? There is obviously a rhetorical advantage to doing so on 9/11, but at that point our point may have become more important than those affected by the event and its aftermath (including the tragic war following). I guess that is why i am still a bit offput by your post.

Either way, as much as i can (given that i don’t know you in real life), i do appreciate that you are willing to not merely swallow everything the US gov’t says or actually does. I just think the time & format you chose to express that was less than ideal.

I’d love to know where Dan is getting his information from. Because the two sources I listed claim that he’s wrong. But, apparently he’s above responding to the critique, and claims his sources reveal his verification (without providing those sources first hand). If there’s more information out there, I’m all for it. He has already done the leg work. I don’t know why he doesn’t share.

If I’m wrong, I want to know why.

Academic integrity anyone? seriously…..

Sorry, Halden, for this pathetic and boring exchange.

This is the only link you gave that’s content was relevant to Honduras. And the author of the article linked above confirms exactly what I said. From your own sources, you’re wrong about Obama needing to be coerced into making a statement of condemnation.

Deal with it.

You said :“In fact, the Obama administration said nothing at all during the first crucial period of the coup and it was only an intense amount of international pressure (i.e. pretty much every other nation in the world) that lead the US gov to speak out against the coup”

Which is verifiability false, as displayed in the link I provided.

Dan, I think you’re oversimplifying power politics. The President is not the government in Honduras. Just like in the USA, the president is not the government. The president was attempting to reform the constitution to allow for him to continue his presidency. In America, I would hope, we would balk and protest at such a notion. Could you imagine what would have happened if Bush attempted to reform the constitution without the support of the Supreme Court or Congress? Chaos would ensue.

The Coup happened on June 28. On June 29 Obama called the coup “Illegal.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8125292.stm

“In fact, the Obama administration said nothing at all during the first crucial period of the coup and it was only an intense amount of international pressure (i.e. pretty much every other nation in the world) that lead the US gov to speak out against the coup”

I don’t think it is reasonable (or honest) to say that the Obama administration said nothing. Because they did, the very next day.

Walking around the city days afterward there were missing posters all over the place. It was really sad. At the same time though, one of my friends who is half black, half white, but could pass for Arab, started wearing a flag on his backpack in hopes to preempt and ward-off any potential attacks against himself from angry people.

I think James’ comments are ridiculous. His defense of Friedman, Bush and company is just stupid. They used our grief in New York, those craven ivory tower politicians who were hiding in holes or 30,000 feet in the air, to make wars. I’d like tto see every last congressman, every last senator, the President and V.P. at the time, dropped off in Iraq, the troops withdrawn, and let them fight their war. Bastards.