Comments on: One Irish Priest http://www.inhabitatiodei.com/2009/12/06/one-irish-priest/ Where youthful Barthianism never dies Mon, 06 Feb 2012 21:24:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Auggie Webster http://www.inhabitatiodei.com/2009/12/06/one-irish-priest/comment-page-1/#comment-13063 Auggie Webster Wed, 09 Dec 2009 01:15:09 +0000 http://www.inhabitatiodei.com/?p=3178#comment-13063 Sorry about the confusion, just wasn't sure how the phrase applied. I agree 100%. Of course, one way an institution can be restore trust is through exercise of its own prerogatives. Off with their souls! Excommunications all around! Excommunicating a few bishops and archbishops would let folks know you're serious and go a tiny way toward restoring the faithful's trust. Of course, never gonna happen. They might reveal some family secrets or write their own Dan Brownesque novel and say "based on a true story." Oh well, "Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord." Let's hope so. Sorry about the confusion, just wasn’t sure how the phrase applied. I agree 100%. Of course, one way an institution can be restore trust is through exercise of its own prerogatives. Off with their souls! Excommunications all around! Excommunicating a few bishops and archbishops would let folks know you’re serious and go a tiny way toward restoring the faithful’s trust.

Of course, never gonna happen. They might reveal some family secrets or write their own Dan Brownesque novel and say “based on a true story.” Oh well, “Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord.” Let’s hope so.

]]> By: Nathan http://www.inhabitatiodei.com/2009/12/06/one-irish-priest/comment-page-1/#comment-13058 Nathan Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:58:56 +0000 http://www.inhabitatiodei.com/?p=3178#comment-13058 I was not making any reference to the TV show (or Heinlein story), just borrowing the turn of phrase. And Peregrinus has it spot-on: trustworthiness as an essential aspect of communion should be discussed, especially for those for whom "the church" most nearly equals "the institution." I was not making any reference to the TV show (or Heinlein story), just borrowing the turn of phrase. And Peregrinus has it spot-on: trustworthiness as an essential aspect of communion should be discussed, especially for those for whom “the church” most nearly equals “the institution.”

]]> By: Peregrinus http://www.inhabitatiodei.com/2009/12/06/one-irish-priest/comment-page-1/#comment-13053 Peregrinus Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:51:40 +0000 http://www.inhabitatiodei.com/?p=3178#comment-13053 Actually he doesn't say taht "the church as an institution" can be "broken on a fundamental level". He says that <b>trust and confidence</i> in the church can be (and in fact is) so broken. We can debate whether such trust and confidence is an essential aspect of the communion which makes the church, such that a breach of trust and confidence is a breach of the church, but that doesn't seem to be something we should gloss over. He doesn't say "the church as an institution" either. Just "the church". Actually he doesn’t say taht “the church as an institution” can be “broken on a fundamental level”. He says that trust and confidence in the church can be (and in fact is) so broken. We can debate whether such trust and confidence is an essential aspect of the communion which makes the church, such that a breach of trust and confidence is a breach of the church, but that doesn’t seem to be something we should gloss over.

He doesn’t say “the church as an institution” either. Just “the church”.

]]> By: Auggie Webster http://www.inhabitatiodei.com/2009/12/06/one-irish-priest/comment-page-1/#comment-13052 Auggie Webster Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:40:18 +0000 http://www.inhabitatiodei.com/?p=3178#comment-13052 Nathan, Could you please elaborate on "have apostolic succession, will travel." I am familiar with the phrase "have ______ will travel" and the 50s/60s tv show, but what exactly are you saying here? Nathan,

Could you please elaborate on “have apostolic succession, will travel.” I am familiar with the phrase “have ______ will travel” and the 50s/60s tv show, but what exactly are you saying here?

]]> By: Nathan http://www.inhabitatiodei.com/2009/12/06/one-irish-priest/comment-page-1/#comment-13046 Nathan Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:18:10 +0000 http://www.inhabitatiodei.com/?p=3178#comment-13046 I think there is an uncomfortable truth to be told with respect to ecclesiology in all of this. According to a Roman Catholic priest, the Church as an institution can be "broken on a fundamental level." Have apostolic succession, will travel. I think there is an uncomfortable truth to be told with respect to ecclesiology in all of this. According to a Roman Catholic priest, the Church as an institution can be “broken on a fundamental level.” Have apostolic succession, will travel.

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